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Timothy Troutner's avatar

1) I found this response constructive in its own right, especially as it concerns the way in which evil gives itself its own origin (retroactively) just as grace gives us another origin (again retroactively). I think this is clearer here than anywhere else I've read. This further helped clear up for me the distinction between two structures of retroactivity: sinful (existentially contradictory and driven by ignorance) and deifying ("paradoxical" yet true), which defy the logic of sequence but in different ways.

2) I also thought while reading that Julian and the Philokalia tradition both move beyond the evil as privation view without fully rejecting it, but in opposite (although compatible ways). The Philokalia tradition sees evil as *more* real in one sense (as hypostasized) but Julian sees it as *less* real (as finally overdetermined and retroactively redeemed so as never to have been). In Maximus both retroactivities and both ways of surpassing without abandoning privation theory fit together. Sin can be seen to be more real and less real because rather than a flat ontology corresponding to a logic of sequence we have an oscillation between the flawed perspective we incarnate for ourselves and its undoing, which posits the first as its precondition and thus redeems it.

3) The Thomas position on supposits and lack of clarity on how it is not Nestorian continues to scandalize me.

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Chris EW Green's avatar

Thanks for this excellent response, Jordan. As Timothy said, it was both clarifying and constructive, as well as a beautiful reminder of how glorious the Incarnation is.

I'd like to hear more about your read of Gorman and Thomas on supposit. I ask because I think this may be the very point at which Jens gets tripped up, per our recent discussion.

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